Thanks to @f-f for organizing and @kayla for providing the Zoom! It was really nice meeting everyone and hearing about their various backgrounds and experiences. Looking forward to the next one!
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I thought it was a cracking good meetup. Thanks to @f-f for organizing.
There is no good answer to the time of day issue, so we may as well stick with 20:00 CEST.
I tried to move rooms on the call but that is not generally allowed – the host has to assign people and, once assigned, people can not move themselves. There is a workaround to this, which is to make everyone a co-host (see https://medium.com/swlh/how-to-run-a-zoom-cocktail-party-and-have-better-classes-conferences-and-meetings-too-dc2c5b58f8be). That requires a some trust in the participants not to abuse the additional powers, but is something to think about.
We might also publicly note at the beginning of the call that we are “lurker friendly”. If people want to just watch and listen that is fine. Some gentle encouragement to turn on your camera even if you’re lurking would be nice, but of course nobody is compelled to do anything.
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I’ve talked to Fabrizio and we agreed that it would be good to see if we can can adjust the next meetup timing so more of the interested PureScripters could join.
So please check all the hours when you would be able and would like to join the next meetup (on Monday 11th May):
- 12:00 UTC
- 13:00 UTC
- 14:00 UTC
- 15:00 UTC
- 16:00 UTC
- 17:00 UTC
- 18:00 UTC
- 19:00 UTC
- 20:00 UTC
- 21:00 UTC
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How long is the meetup expected to last? My selections depend largely on the duration.
Last time we clocked around 3h, but:
- I’d say it’s really fine to join and leave at any time
- This time I’d try to run it shorter, e.g. max 2h
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So it looks like 21 UTC is the most popular time but that’s a bit late for me, so tomorrow we’re going to start at 20:00 UTC - feel free to join anytime (I predict we’ll stay on for a couple of hours at least).
I’ll post the link here shortly before.
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Meeting link - I’ll start adding people in 15 minutes, so expect to queue for a bit if you join already now
Thanks everyone for the lovely meetup, I thoroughly enjoyed chatting with all of you and I hope you had a great time too! 
Keeping up with our two-weeks schedule I’m going to fix our next meeting for Monday 25th of May, but this time it will be at 13:00 UTC, so that it’s earlier for us in Europe, still includes US East Coast, and allows peeps from Japan and East Asia to join too 
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Wanted to capture this discussion point from today’s meetup, since this question comes up occasionally:
What’s missing from having PureScript 1.0?
- Package registry
- ES6 modules
- Better dead code elimination
- Recommended bundling workflow
- Solid documentation
- Smooth new-user experience
The focus is to make sure that things are working really well before opening the floodgates to all the new users that will accompany a 1.0 announcement, rather than merely meeting the semantic versioning requirement of no upcoming breaking changes in the language.
Also, esbuild was mentioned as a candidate for recommended bundler once the ES modules feature is complete.
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Just some thoughts on how to make this time better for everyone
Before the meeting begins, I think it would be good to let others know what is one thing each person attending wants to get out of a given meetup. This will help us know how many breakout rooms to make as well as who will be in those groups.
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Yeah that’s great feedback, thanks. The last time we all had a couple of minutes to introduce ourselves so that it was quite smooth to figure out what to do, but this time it was a bit more chaotic - probably due to being super late for me - and I apologize for this.
Next time let’s have a quick round of “I’m here because…”, so that we can spend our time more efficiently 
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Oh, I was thinking we would post an opening thread on Discourse “There will be a meetup on Day X at Time Y. If you plan on coming, post 1 thing that you want to get out of this meetup. For example, what’s something you want to learn? or discuss? or work on together?” Then people would post all of that in the thread. Then someone could organize this information into the following:
- number of people coming
- recommended breakout rooms and who will likely be in each
- miscellaneous instructions for people before it starts (like “you have to be assigned to a breakout room before the menu option that allows you to switch between them will appear on your interface”)
That way, we reduce the amount of time making intros because people are already familiar with what others are doing / want to talk about / their background.
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So I made a small fork of the halogen template which uses esbuild instead of webpack!
Feedback would be appreciated!
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Thanks for investigating and making this easy to reproduce. I like your strategy for eliminating duplicate index.html files. I’ll have to incorporate that into this template. pnpm may also be a better recommendation for new users (more discussion about that here).
Is there a way to enable automatic page refresh on file save with your workflow? That’s how the other template repo is configured.
Bundle size probably isn’t the main selling point of esbuild, but for reference, it produces a 129 KB bundle (29 KB gzip), which is around what we get with parcel (126 / 27 KB).
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Thanks. I notice esbuild with automatic reload generally works well, but there are occasional problems where the refresh is stale, or has no content at all.
Here is a recording I made while comparing how long it takes to render results after a file save for parcel vs esbuild. It shows a situation with esbuild where:
- The first save produces a stale refresh (change from “I” to “You” not applied).
- The second save produces no content.
- The third save finally picks up the latest changes.
I wonder if this is related to Monday’s conversation about how bundlers with filewatchers don’t know when purs is done, so perhaps esbuild is picking up some incomplete compilation output.
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Hey, I looked into it and have no idea how to fix it:)
I had similar issues with parcel. It would be cool if there was a way to tell the language server to run a command after each rebuild!
If you have a fix don’t hesitate to open a pull request!
Is there still a meetup today?
Yep, meeting link: https://us02web.zoom.us/j/82638883679?pwd=aTRaNWlNYVBQa2d1cCtwM0NFUHd0QT09
In about ~20 min I’ll start letting people in. See you soon!
Thanks! This will be my first time making it.